tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post2947291290143546127..comments2024-03-27T05:47:21.295-07:00Comments on Ayn Rand Contra Human Nature: Open threadDaniel Barneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06359277853862225286noreply@blogger.comBlogger197125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-30817680748172158552015-01-26T11:54:51.397-08:002015-01-26T11:54:51.397-08:00
@Daniel:
How about starting an Open Thread 2015?...<br />@Daniel:<br /><br />How about starting an Open Thread 2015?<br /><br />As the Romans might say: Quantum non ave - atque vale.Gordon Burkowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-68827706766442552742015-01-23T22:50:58.494-08:002015-01-23T22:50:58.494-08:00"It's still embarrassing how long it took..."It's still embarrassing how long it took us to see fully what he was."<br /><br />Eh.<br /><br />If you give someone the benefit of the doubt that they are who they say they are, it's not really on you if they turn out to be some kind of liar. Any one of us could have Googled him up, I suppose, but at least for my part I really didn't care all that much. I took him more-or-less at face value, because that was the image he was projecting, and now that it turns out it wasn't the entire picture, well, all that means is that QH was abusing peoples' trust and good faith, and that's his own sin, not any of ours.<br /><br />It's not like we were completely bamboozled by him, either - I didn't bother writing about "the flaws of Objectivism" because I was both: fairly certain he wasn't sincere about giving it any real consideration, and: wasn't particularly impressed with what analysis he did offer elsewhere. <br /><br />(And now I wonder if he hadn't intended to take any such writings we might have provided and thrown them at the other blogs to try to stir things up...)Jzeronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-7383109495575377032015-01-23T20:15:15.792-08:002015-01-23T20:15:15.792-08:00Also since he tried to get them to come here to ar...Also since he tried to get them to come here to argue some of them looked here and looked at his comments here. Unsurprisingly they were not impressed with those comments.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-5925214932518554572015-01-23T15:23:18.250-08:002015-01-23T15:23:18.250-08:00One wonders what he has been up to elsewhere under...One wonders what he has been up to elsewhere under other names.<br />Both ARCHN and Incinerating Presuppositionalism are discussion blogs which attract people not interested in flame wars. Despite being owned by an Objectivist, Incinerating Presuppositionalism is not really about Objectivism. It is a critique of religious apologetics and the poster and commenters there did not want to be distracted by something irrelevant to their focus.<br />Their narrower focus made his trolling more obvious and so they were on to him earlier than we were. It's still embarrassing how long it took us to see fully what he was.<br />He has not appeared on the other blogs for a year. I don't know whether he was banned or gave up when it was plain that they would not go along. Whichever way I think after his exposure he won't try to come back, at least not for long. He'll troll elsewhere under another name.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-45590373513927324232015-01-22T23:25:25.122-08:002015-01-22T23:25:25.122-08:00After digesting this for a while, I have to say th...After digesting this for a while, I have to say that it seems one of my earlier theories was more correct than I'd thought. When QH was trying to get people to go over to that O-ist forum, it seemed like he was obviously trying to bait folks to go over there so that (presumably) any Rand critics would get destroyed by the O-ists over there. And now it appears he was using the same tactics to try to get people to come over here and start arguments.<br /><br />He can't (well, at least not sanely) be pro-Rand and anti-Rand at the same time, so we have to assume that either:<br /><br />1) He was actually pro-Rand, and pretended to be anti-Rand elsewhere to try to get people to fight ARCHN; or <br />2) He was actually anti-Rand, and pretended to be pro-Rand to get people from ARCHN to go fight the O-ists in their forums; or<br />3) He wasn't actually for or against Rand, and all along he was just trolling people for the sake of "the lulz", trying to play the two sides against each other to start some kind of cross-forum flamewar.<br /><br />I'm leaning towards 3), myself, but in any case, it seems that trying to mastermind a big forum fight was the primary goal.<br /><br />It's a little heartening to note that apparently nobody really took him up on his offer. As far as I know, nobody here went to engage the O-ists elsewhere, and aside from the Hardesty appearance, nobody really came here to bust chops. So maybe there's some hope for civility in the world after all.Jzeronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-87895063694559087352015-01-22T13:03:48.214-08:002015-01-22T13:03:48.214-08:00Oh, I intend to. There is no pint engaging someone...Oh, I intend to. There is no pint engaging someone who lies about what his beliefs and intentions are.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-32899873002870445782015-01-22T05:18:51.594-08:002015-01-22T05:18:51.594-08:00"He tried to bluster his way out after being ..."He tried to bluster his way out after being caught in flagrante delicto."<br /><br />I'd actually suspected that that might happen. There are obviously some serious compulsions at work here.<br /><br />I'm sorry to say it, but I don't think we've seen the last of this guy. I'm sure that Daniel will shut off comment moderation when he gets back from vacation - at which point he'll try to slide back in again.<br /><br />If this happens, I would suggest ignoring him until his comments can be deleted.Gordon Burkowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-60462136772349738792015-01-21T21:17:04.467-08:002015-01-21T21:17:04.467-08:00Amazing. He tried to bluster his way out after bei...Amazing. He tried to bluster his way out after being caught <i>in flagrante delicto</i>.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-47369944898743000432015-01-21T20:13:28.364-08:002015-01-21T20:13:28.364-08:00Incidentally, as I'm on vacation right now wit...Incidentally, as I'm on vacation right now with only intermittent internet access, I'm going to switch comment moderation on for a while. I'll try to post comments daily however.Daniel Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359277853862225286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-52474972324720329552015-01-21T19:37:40.669-08:002015-01-21T19:37:40.669-08:00See? I'm a man of my word.
I'll let Little...See? I'm a man of my word.<br />I'll let Little Richard <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYr7I4gOSXk" rel="nofollow">explain how this works.</a>Daniel Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359277853862225286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-61712393487572547402015-01-21T18:26:37.576-08:002015-01-21T18:26:37.576-08:00No, it's because you've been cold busted, ...No, it's because you've been cold busted, sucker. Props to Lloyd once again for confirming the obvious.<br /><br />This has been your last comment here, loser…;-) Everything else will be deleted. Please refer to our comments policy <a href="http://aynrandcontrahumannature.blogspot.com/2006/06/about-archn-site.html" rel="nofollow">here:</a><br /><br />Comments policy<br />This is a privately owned blog. It will be moderated occassionally due to a pesky troll or comments spam. While the discussion policy is liberal, I reserve the right to moderate or ban at my discretion. If you don't like being moderated, get over it. It's a big internets, with many other sites where you can express the earth-shaking messages you bear.<br />Daniel Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359277853862225286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-58484375011135740942015-01-21T18:11:31.712-08:002015-01-21T18:11:31.712-08:00@Barnes
Awwww Daniel, don't be a little cowar...@Barnes<br /><br />Awwww Daniel, don't be a little coward and delete like a Fascist.<br /><br />If you feel this is something that is significant, why would you resort to such cowardice now?<br /><br />That's just evading and repressing free speech like the Objectivists you imply or claim, do that, that you despise so much.<br /><br />If this is something that is so strong, why would you not give the person a chance to defend themselves? You're just being the little punk it's obvious you are.<br /><br />It's incredible, despite having the advantage of numbers, and being on your own territory, you still failed miserably, and now, in order to do anything, you have to resort to repression of free speech. <br /><br />Pathetic. Are you really going to evade and run like that Barnes?<br /><br />You have every advantage and you still can't deal with me straight up and have to resort to such an underhanded tactic of deletion when you have an interlocutor who is giving as good as he gets.<br /><br />If you can't stand the heat, you shouldn't have boiled in the kitchen. <br /><br />All this abuse on this site, and all the years of attack, and essentially it looks like you can dish it, but you can't take it. You get attacked back, and you cave and start censoring. And in short order at that.<br /><br />All that crap you guys talked, and the first time you get someone strong enough to stand up to your garbage and ganging up and foolishness, and you have to resort to deletion. So weak and cowardly. <br /><br />So now it can be said you guys dishonestly censor like I think you claim Objectivists do.<br /><br />LOL!QuantumHaecceityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10939627623915545949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-86612080479766501842015-01-21T17:46:48.186-08:002015-01-21T17:46:48.186-08:00Delete away!
Delete away!<br />Michael Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963295565160636175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-62427784807026060362015-01-21T17:34:27.014-08:002015-01-21T17:34:27.014-08:00Thanks, Daniel.
I was hoping you'd say that.Thanks, Daniel.<br /><br />I was hoping you'd say that.Gordon Burkowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-51588992094274530042015-01-21T17:19:09.804-08:002015-01-21T17:19:09.804-08:00Thanks for that Lloyd.
I had my suspicions that t...Thanks for that Lloyd.<br /><br />I had my suspicions that this was a wind-up, so hadn't been bothering with the guy.<br /><br />Hey, it was fun while it lasted. Unless anyone has any objection, I'll now delete any comments he makes.Daniel Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359277853862225286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-78603764726107521472015-01-21T11:45:04.659-08:002015-01-21T11:45:04.659-08:00Well.
That explains much.Well.<br /><br />That explains much.Jzeronoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-67690194096714365882015-01-21T09:16:28.538-08:002015-01-21T09:16:28.538-08:00@ Michael & Lloyd:
Yes, it's easy to reco...<br />@ Michael & Lloyd:<br /><br />Yes, it's easy to recognize the voice, isn't it?<br /><br />By the way, Michael, I can't help feeling that you may be busy building a character for a new novel. If so, you've just hit a treasure trove. . . :)Gordon Burkowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-57179533785942783242015-01-21T09:06:03.930-08:002015-01-21T09:06:03.930-08:00Great catch, Lloyd!
From the Presuppositionalism...Great catch, Lloyd! <br /><br />From the Presuppositionalism site:<br /><br />"Dawson, willfully or unintentionally, you are doing exactly what Objectivism teaches not to do. You are evading reality.<br /><br />"And the reality of the situation, is that it looks like Gregory S. Nyquist has utterly destroyed Objectivism. Taken it a part intellectually, piece by piece, and left it in ruins, with 8 years of refutations and attacks.<br /><br />"It looks like you have become exactly what you despise in Christians and Presuppositionalists. A person who is being shown the errors of their worldview, but are too dogmatic and dishonest to admit the truth and discard it.<br /><br />"Don't do this to yourself Dawson. Face reality and don't evade it. You either need to man up, and take on the Ayn Rand contra human nature blog in full, or admit that Objectivism has been put to ruins and discard it. I'm not saying you HAVE to deal with them intellectually. I'm saying if you want to stay honest and true to your tenets, and not be what you despise in Christians, either show how they are wrong, or man up and admit Objectivism is false and leave it."<br /><br />Yes, that's our QH!Michael Prescotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12963295565160636175noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-11228971132312301342015-01-21T08:38:19.570-08:002015-01-21T08:38:19.570-08:00Interesting... something similar happened with our...Interesting... something similar happened with our "M Hardesty" who wrote on Amazon that "I would advise readers, in the doubtful event that any are still following this tiresome, tedious, repetitive thread to check out the Ayn Rand Contra Human Nature site which has literally hundreds, if not thousands of pages, debunking every aspect of her work and cult." Not quite the same what he wrote here... <br /><br />DragonflySpinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03341270709249135041noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-59957136554761062692015-01-21T04:42:34.601-08:002015-01-21T04:42:34.601-08:00Glenn's my brother.Glenn's my brother.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-44509677277945464982015-01-21T04:40:03.697-08:002015-01-21T04:40:03.697-08:00Thanks Glenn.
I checked the sites you mentioned. ...Thanks Glenn.<br /><br />I checked the sites you mentioned. Wow.<br /><br />Gordon Burkowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-77082999961368214302015-01-21T04:24:20.351-08:002015-01-21T04:24:20.351-08:00Well QH, now we know just what you are. And that i...Well QH, now we know just what you are. And that is a lying little piece of shit.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-87873152588797617092015-01-21T04:22:40.794-08:002015-01-21T04:22:40.794-08:00I just did what I should done a long time ago. I d...I just did what I should done a long time ago. I did an Google search for QuantumHaecceity. And found that he had been trolling a couple of other sites as well. What a surprise. All of us should be embarrassed for not having done this. What I found was that he was even more hypocritical and more into trolling for the sake of trolling than I thought.<br />The two sites that I found were both on Blogger. One is called The Court of Reality. The other is called Incinerating Presuppositionalism. The interesting thing is the latter is an Objectivist's site and QH was there saying that Greg Nyquist had destroyed Objectivism ant why didn't the blogger come over here to defend his beliefs.<br />I've only skimmed these blogs so far. I haven't had the time to do more yet.But it looks like our estimation of his character was much too high.Lloyd Flackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00832519369660328832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-87836724093453020582015-01-20T19:52:35.933-08:002015-01-20T19:52:35.933-08:00"Grandiose self image which will not let him ...<br />"Grandiose self image which will not let him ever admit that he was wrong."<br /><br />The clearest example of this was the discussion over whether Daniel could delete Q's posts.<br /><br />Daniel affirmed that this was indeed the case. And Prescott even quoted from Blogger Help, which confirmed the same thing.<br /><br />Any rational person would simply say: "Thanks, I stand corrected." But instead we got this diversionary babble:<br /><br />"Then I don't know what Dawson Bethrick's problem was. I gathered that he had no other recourse to deal with interlocutors that were overwhelming him other than to put his entire blog on comments pending approval."<br /><br />Gordon Burkowskinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29196034.post-57958685520410515742015-01-20T19:46:47.162-08:002015-01-20T19:46:47.162-08:00@Gordon,
Nothing to do with me. Blogger just chang...@Gordon,<br />Nothing to do with me. Blogger just changes things sometimes as it sees fit.<br />Daniel Barneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359277853862225286noreply@blogger.com